After you read much of the lender's comments on this and the
Prosper website, you will notice one thing: the questions are never
solidly answered..
There are some very bright folks here, answering questions, but the
main question of making money on Prosper has not much to do with
what you read on the forums.
The main question you should ask yourself or others is: do I or
anyone here have experience lending to another person? If so, what
has that experience been over the past 5-10 years?
You should ask that question, because that is what Prosper is all
about.
Granted, you will be a 'thread-killer' but that's real world.
And if Prosper makes sense now, it will still be around in 5 years
when the smoke and mirrors and crystal balls are long gone! You
won't miss out on Prosper. You will simply avoid being a Pioneer.
NOT ONE PERSON answering these questions has person to person
lending experience. It's all conjecture, although done in earnest,
not dishonestly.
When someone on the lender's forums has at least 5 consecutive years
experience in the real world lending to individuals, listen to what
they have to say.
Finally, could you see Warren Buffet here, looking at all those
juicy 15% returns, and investing in this kind of thing? You don't
have to be rich like Warren to invest like him. He wouldn't put a
dime here, nor into the company, IMO.
This is a hope and a prayer at the moment, do some 'paper trading
for at least 6 months on 50 loans and see for yourself. You'll be
ahead of 90% of other lenders if you do just that.
I am a newbie and just trying to evaluate the whole p2p lending
concept. Question I have is, do you really care about the stories of
the borrowers say on Prosper?
Or as long as you have the credit ratings/debt2income, you are okay?
THere are no telling that the stories are real anyway, so why
bother, right?
Also if you could advise what other metrics you usually look at to
judge a loan request, that will be helpful. Thanks in advance!
concerning the stories. What lenders have to know is that they
are not validated by the service (e.g. Prosper, Lending Club).
Many lenders believe that while the story alone is no reason to bid,
it can effectively keep you from bidding, e.g. when:
the description of the purpose how the loan will be used does not
make sense
the listed budget has obvious errors
the listing is appealing at your pity (dubbed "cry stories")
With most platforms you have the chance to ask borrowers a question.
One example of a recent listing that (for me) does make sense is
this one:
http://www.prosper.com/lend/listing.aspx?listingID=256034
Borrowing at 21.47% to lend out at a higher rate.
While borrowing to lend is usually not a good idea, at this rate it
seems ridiculous.
The borrower claims his past lending success but the average age of
his portfolio at Prosper is only 45 days, meaning it is too young to
be hit by defaults yet.
There are known lenders that care about the description because they
only fund loans with a certain goal (like helping students, or
reducing credit card debts).
There have also been past studies trying statistically to determine
if certain words (e.g. "desperate") included in the listing resulted
in an higher than average default risk.
My advice: Don't overvalue the descriptions but do not ignore them
either.
I have actually five loans running. All paying back properly.
From one loan its the second payback.
But kiva didnt withdraw the money to my account.
My availiable kiva credit is still on zero and i am waiting for my
money.
kivi
Notice: i can give an answer to my question:
This was in my googlemail post:
Quote:
Please note that these funds will not be credited to your Kiva
account
until the loan is repaid in full or when the loan term is complete.
So i have to wait for my money until the credit is fully repaid.
Yes, that is the way Kiva handles repayments. Lenders have to
wait until the borrower has fully repaid the loan. After that the
amount is paid back to the lender.
The monthly paybacks are not credited directly to lender accounts
like it is handled at other services (e.g. Prosper, MyC4)
Having read through the postings here, and clicking on the top
lenders listed at the upper right of lendingstats.com's home page, I
am struck by the wide range of ROIs. One would think that spreading
out one's amount to lend over a reasonably diversified portfolio,
ROIs would be clustered in the 8-18% range, or so. One would also
think that the top lenders at the upper right of lendingstats.com's
page, all of whom have more than a quarter million dollars in play,
would have gotten quite good at this, but muleShoe's -20% ROI really
sticks out like a sore thumb. You could blame his strong
concentration in "D" grade borrowers as an obvious explanation, but
other poorly performing lenders have what would seem to be a healthy
mix of borrower grades. One lender with almost all "A" and "B"
borrowers had a 40% default statistic. It also seems very
interesting that most of the top lenders jumped in with very heavy
activity when they first got involved, but have had little or no
participation in 2008. Did they just loan out all they had, or did
they get fed up?
So: what makes a successful lender who stays involved and satisfied
with his activity in p2p lending?
Prosper.com is a service that allows people to lend money - with
interest - to other people, and thus turns everyone into a bank.
I’ve put off writing this review for a while because I wanted to
make sure this service was legitimate before endorsing it. It is,
and I’ll explain why below.
Here is how the site works: Borrowers sign up with the site, then
run their credit score through the site (Prosper currently uses
Experian for this). Prosper converts the borrower’s credit score
into a letter grade to simply things. For example, a 700 credit
score would translate into a B rating on a scale with the following
grades: AA-A-B-C-D-E-HR (HR = high risk).
The borrower then tells Prosper how much they’d like to borrow and
Prosper gives the borrow a feel for what they can expect to pay
interest-wise on their loan. A borrower with a B rating who’s
looking for $1000-5000 is currently able to borrow money at 13.95%.
Next step: The borrower then starts a week-long auction for their
loan. Sticking with the B rating borrower example, the borrower
would probably want to start their auction at a higher rate - say,
18%. Once that goes live, people on the lending side of Prosper
(including me) will bid on the borrower’s loan in increments of $50
up to the full value of the loan. Before long, a group of dozens (if
not hundreds) of lenders will, together, fulfill the loan. But there
will still be plenty of time on the clock. At that point, lenders
will start outbidding each other and start driving down the rate of
the loan do something below 18% and probably in the 14% range based
on historical patterns.
the LS ROI numbers have been going up (too much) over the last
few months -- as it gets further and further from the last debt sale
in December, the average lateness of 4+-month lates increases,
meaning this error gets more significant. In other words,
immediately after the last debt sale, most 4+-month lates were just
barely 4 months late (having just missed the deadline for being sold
off), aside from the BK's and the few older loans not sold off for
whatever reason. So LS's apparent assumption that 4+-month lates
were only 4 months late was not too far off the mark. But now there
are lots of loans that are 7 or 8 months late, but only being
counted as 4 months late. This over-inflates the amount paid
component of the calculation. As soon as the next debt sale occurs,
LS ROI's will take a sharp move downward. But showing people the
high ROI they're making makes for a good experience. People are more
likely to visit the site time and time again if it makes them feel
good. I say keep showing us that we make 13% even if in reality
we're making a nifty 2%.
A couple of reasons why the ROI is 'off'.
1) Late rates were being calculated using the old Penncro Collection
rates offered by Prosper, these were significantly higher then the
FirstSource rates we’ll be using now.
2) Default sale prices are being calculated based on the first batch
of loans Prosper sold. This ’sale price’ has significantly dropped
if I’m understanding correctly. (You probably won’t get 30% back for
a C homeowner on default now). Going to look into getting a more
accurate estimate of default sale prices.
3) Loans are being stuck in the 4+ month band. What we do currently
is estimate how many payments have been made by the lender.
e.g. If a loan is 12 months old and 4 months late then we assume it
has made 8 payments. However many of the 4+ month loans are hitting
the 8month late mark. The calculation assumes it's only 4 months
late.
1) This is already updated, we are now using the collection rates
listed from FirstSource instead of Penncro (login to your prosper
account and look at the FirstSource collection recovery rates).
2) This is pending an update, I need to get a better estimate of the
default sale prices in order to update this part. I have a couple of
ideas but they are a little tricky to automate.
3) This is the same as #2 and will need automation.
When the week is up, the borrow has the option on whether to take
the lender’s offer or skip it.
If accepted, the lender’s money is transfered to the borrower, who
repays the loan in fixed payments over three years (36 monthly
payments).
My Experience
I’ve only used the service on the lending side, and I can tell you
that it works very well. In fact, it works better than expected, but
I imagine that’s because it’s still early and an imperfect market. I
believe the balance of borrowers to lenders favors lenders right
now, so lenders are getting surprisingly high returns on the money
they lend.
My current rate of return on money I’ve lent is 13.59%. Yes, that’s
correct. And none of the borrowers I’ve lent money to haven’t fallen
even one day behind on their payments.
My Lending Strategy
When I first started using the site, I reviewed borrower’s stories
and checked out their reasons for borrowing money. I would then bid
on the cases that seemed like a fair risk. However, I was often
bumped out by other lenders who came later to the same auction which
led to more time than I wanted to invest. So I switched over to
using Prosper’s portfolio management plan. With this, I simply tell
Prosper what my risk tolerance is, and they’ll auto-bid on loans in
dollar increments that I set.
This is also nice because Prosper will auto-fulfill loans whenever
my account accrues $50 in repayments from other borrowers. Get that
money back to work, pronto.
Common Questions
I’ve talked about this with a lot of friends, and here are the
common questions I am asked.
Is this secured debt? No. There is nothing to repossess if the
borrower doesn’t pay. However, lenders are required to choose a
collections agency to work with on their behalf, assuming a borrower
falls behind. Prosper has a separate market to help you determine
which collections agency has had the best results collecting on
overdue debt payments. There is a small fee for this.
How can I tell whether a borrower is legitimate? Proper publishes a
ton of data about a person’s financial history after running the
borrower’s credit score. This will give you a feel for how much debt
they already have, how much they make, etc. You can also ask
borrowers questions (and read questions and answers from other
prospective lenders). Over time, the site also keeps a history of
borrowers so people can build credibility up within the site similar
to Ebay’s rating system.
Who started Prosper? The folks who founded e-Loan, so they have
serious experience with online lending.
How do I get started?
I am definitely NOT a financial adviser, but if you want to give it
a try, here is what I recommend: Sign up with the site as a lender.
Go through the verification process, then fund your account with
$75. Once the money hits your Prosper account, lend someone $50 to
get a feel for how the system works. Once you’ve successfully done
that, Prosper will give you a new-lender $25 bonus. Then lend out
the remaining $50 in your account. You’re up 33% at that point and
have a much better feel for whether this is something worth
pursuing.
Inside the World of Peer to Peer (p2p) Lending
Misc.admin
Welcome to this month’s edition of the Insiders series where I speak
to the insiders behind a particular industry to get another
perspective on some personal finance phenomenon or trend. In the
past, I have interviewed representatives from the investment
planning, hedge fund and mortgage industry.
This month I am pleased to welcome Colin Henderson, CommunityLend’s
Chief Technology Officer and Dave Coleman, CommunityLend’s Community
Advocate, to discuss the social lending industry. By way of
explanation, social lending, as the name implies, is the lending of
funds between groups of individuals rather than institutions, like
banks. I took our time to speak a little about their organization,
the future of p2p and some fallout from Lending Club’s decision to
suspend new lenders due to regulatory issues.
CommunityLend, which is similar to Zopa UK and Prosper in the US, is
a facilitator in the transaction: they are a service where lenders
and borrowers, agree on a loan and, once the loan is disbursed, they
administer the loan. For shorthand, I will call all of these
services providers “social lending businesses” to distinguish the
facilitators from the individual borrowers and lenders.
My questions are in bold and Colin and Dave’s comments in normal
text. Enjoy
Colin and Dave- thanks for participating. Tell us a little about
CommunityLend and your progress towards launch?
Colin: We have been watching, learning, and refining our business
model and processes to best reflect what we see as the core need. We
believe in changing the rules of lending, in ways that benefit all
those involved in the process. In addition to your introduction we
actually encourage Banks to participate.
We have been building out our infrastructure, making tweaks and
adjustments, as we refine the model for launch. We will be making
some announcements over the coming few days about our partners in
the launch.
Besides focusing on the Canadian market-place, how is CommunityLend
different than some of the others social lending companies?
Dave: We are focusing on three items that are quite different. Our
first focus is on ensuring we launch a social lending platform that
meets the requirements of the securities regulators in this country.
We plan on creating a sustainable business, one that has long term
prospects and serves the best needs of both our borrowing and
lending communities. By working with the regulators, we believe we
can add a necessary trust factor to this new investment model.
Secondly, we have developed a unique rating system that goes beyond
the standard data available in a credit file to include other key
indicators of individual financial responsibility. Our system starts
with all the regular checks that a bank employee would use, but we
have included other elements which will help give a more holistic
representation of a borrower’s reputation. Today our rating system
is good, but our focus over time will be to constantly improve OUR
metrics as we learn from our marketplace.
Finally, we have structured our site around a focus on communities.
Specifically, we want to help communities come together to help each
other financially. Just the other day I met with the head of a craft
guild. We got talking about CommunityLend and by the end of the
conversation he had decided to enlist as a community leader. His
goal is to help other members of his guild grow their businesses. He
suggested starting a community at CommunityLend for his fellow guild
members so that they can get low interest loans and purchase their
own equipment instead of renting. There is currently no real role
for communities to be involved in traditional lending. We think we
can fix this.
Let’s talk about the business behind running a social lending
businesses. When Lending Club ran into its regulatory issues, a
commentator on a personal finance blog asked how social lending
businesses finance all the advertising and pre-launch promotion. As
far as you know, how do most social lending businesses finance
themselves initially and what do the administration fees charged by
social lending businesses pay for?
Colin: Like any businesses there are many ways to achieve funding.
In our case we have a group of active investors who believe in the
model and our management team. In terms of the fees, they go to
general revenue which covers operating expenses. Our job is to
ensure we keep the business model ‘flat’ and lean and replace
expensive traditional processes with a smart service.
Let’s wade into issues raised by Lending Club announcing: “[We have]
started a process to register, with the appropriate securities
authorities, promissory notes that may be offered and sold to
lenders through their site in the future. Until they complete the
registration process, they will not accept new lender registrations
or allow new commitments from existing lenders.” The issue arose
because the original loans facilitated by Lending Club were not
actually between the individual borrower and lender but the borrower
and Lending Club who assign/transfer the loan to the lender
(acknowledging in reality that the lender picks the borrower that
Lending Club is lending to) and the loan created through the Lending
Club service can be classified as a “security” and regulated by the
appropriate regulators.
Colin: It is hard to comment on the Lending Club situation, simply
because we are not party to their business. I can comment on the
Canadian situation to some extent. The applicable regulation for our
industry is the securities regulation. Broadly, the loan created
between the borrower and lending on our service will be considered a
security. We will therefore be regulated under securities
legislation. We’ve been working with the Ontario Securities
Commission for some time on the best approach for introducing social
lending in Canada.
I know for legal reasons you can’t comment on Lending Club but how
accurate is the rhetoric that social lending will replace the
conventional banking industry if social lending businesses are
basically doing everything a bank does but pick the borrower (in the
interest of fairness this rhetoric has been promoted by individual
users rather than the industry itself)?
Dave: We are certainly optimistic about the viability of social
lending in Canada. On the one hand, you have industry analysts like
Gartner stating that by 2010 social lending is going to make up 10%
of all retail banking. On the other hand, you look at how
conservative the average Canadian banking customer is and question
whether they will part ways with their traditional institutions. We
believe that there is a large group of people who are tired of the
traditional ways of lending, a group of people who are looking for
an organization that will really ‘change the rules of lending’ in
their favor.
Rather than worry about the predictions, we will do what we can to
offer a legitimate and better option for borrowers, and investors,
and they will decide.
As the industry grows so will its regulation (I fully expect
Consumer Protection laws to start addressing social lending as well
as securities regulators creating rules specific to the industry).
Do you agree with this assertion and, if so, will the regulators
kill the golden goose before it is really hatched?
Colin: We see this as an iterative process. Everyone involved
realises the world has changed and is changing, and the proverbial
genie cannot be put back in the bottle. Having said that, the
essence of regulation, including Consumer Protection, is just that,
to protect consumers and we could not imagine building a business on
the notion that we would do anything but protect our customers. We
are confident that the approach we have proactively taken with the
Canadian regulators will help to propel our business forward with
confidence, and will provide for a viable long term business.
CommunityLend has the advantage of leaning from other players
Globally and watching the industry unfold. Without naming names,
what has the social lending industry done right and wrong initially?
Colin: again, not to speak about any future competitors, we see p2p
lending / social lending at a moment in time, where web 2.0 meets
reality. Almost anyone can put together a web site with a few links
joining friends and networks, but to in integrate that successfully
in an on-line loan auction model with robust systems and processes
satisfying regulatory requirements … Now, that’s a far deeper
matter…..One that we believe that we are tackling successfully
On a similar vein, what part of the branding of the p2p industry has
thus far proven accurate and what part needs to change as the
industry evolves?
Dave: the central brand promise of social lending is to secure lower
interest loans for borrowers and to provide higher returns for
lenders. The social lending model has made these results possible by
making the traditional lending model more efficient; cutting out the
middle man and letting borrowers and lenders connect directly. The
existing companies in the space seem to be fulfilling this brand
promise. Borrowers and Lenders on sites like Zopa and Prosper are
able to secure better rates by working with each other directly.
What needs to evolve is the fundamental concept that social lending
companies are here to replace banks. We would argue that there are
plenty of opportunities for banks and social lending companies to
work together. The efficiency of the social lending model in
acquiring new borrowers and managing loans, especially unsecured
loans, is a potential benefit for banks that traditionally have had
large physical foot prints and high overhead costs. Working together
instead of against each other can help banks and social lending
companies extend credit to more people more efficiently. As the
industry evolves I believe more social lending companies taking this
approach an shifting their brand messaging.
Do you believe the industry will evolve past the facilitation and
administration of loans?
Colin: we see the platform we have built as offering a host of
potential services in the future which will be seen as valuable and
relevant for our customers.
Without giving any specific advice, who do you think should be users
of social lending sites and who are not ideal users? Everyone should
use social lending is not an answer!
Dave: I would say the ideal borrower is someone who is responsible
with their money, has a good credit rating, has strong community
connections and a good reason for needing the loan. They probably
also have a desire for a better borrowing process. We think the
younger generation will really embrace borrowing using a social
lending service as it is much more relaxed and laid back way of
going about a process that is usually quite time consuming and
stressful.
On the other side, sophisticated investors who are looking to
diversify their existing portfolio in a small way might want to
consider investing in consumer debt. Investors on social lending
sites need to apply the same principles of investment to this new
asset class called consumer debt. They need to understand the risks
and the need to perform their own due diligence as well as the
important benefits of diversification.
Here’s your opportunity for a shameless plug. Anything you want the
readers to know?
Colin: The CommunityLend platform is designed to offer a better and
more even handed approach to personal lending for all participants.
We call this the democratization of lending. It is no longer the
impersonal and expensive process that has traditionally existed.
Soon borrowers will be able to get a better rate in a better way and
sophisticated investors will be able to participate in investments
in consumer debt. Our vision is to offer a platform that is valuable
to all by having a strong secure infrastructure, built on a unique
set of modern and compliance-oriented business processes.
Dave: Colin puts it perfectly!
We are very excited to be close to launch and are amazed by all the
buzz around social lending . I would personally like to say thank
you to everyone who has been supporting us as we drive towards our
launch. I would especially like to thank Unspace Interactive and SIT
whom we recently announced as partners. Michael Garrity, our CEO,
wrote a blog post about them which can be found here.
Thanks …. it has truly been a pleasure. I cannot wait to do a follow
up after we launch!
I have registered at Loanland.se as an investor, and started with
the minimum investment of 1000 SEK. One can invest in steps of 250
SEK, and the investors compete over interest rate to fill the loan
request.
Personally I'm rather disappointed with loanland. Even though they
have experienced people in the board, they don't seem to learn much
from similar sites. A few examples?
- There is no message board that would allow people to communicate
with each other, suggest improvements, discuss investment
strategies, etc.
- The site has a very intransparent information policy. One cannot
search for a borrower's (or lender's) profile, if they already have
any loans, nothing.
- There's no statistics about how many loans are running, how many
have run into trouble... Nothing
- After a loan has been set up and paid out to the borrower, I
(lender) can't even see the info text that I based my investment
decision on. Come on, harddisk space is not that expensive, why
would you not offer this information?
- The fees seem very high, and are very hard to predict. The lenders
have to share a fixed fee (120 SEK for a 6-36 month loan). So if the
loan request is not filled completely, this fee can become so high
(per lender) that the whole investment becomes unprofitable. Sad
So far I would recommend people to either stay away from this site,
or at least wait until the site has improved vastly.
While I am not a longtime lender I am
puzzled by the negative attitude of many posters in the Prosper
forum.
Sure defaults are high. But there are some interesting listings.
Given that p2p lending is a relative new concept nobody can expect
that everything will be predictable.
I will continue to test the waters with small bids. I am also sure
that Prosper is serious about improving collections and other
issues.
What I really can not understand is lenders that started with huge
investments in this fairly new concept.
It's just a matter of some people with big
egos who likes to complain and stir things up.
Not all criticisms are bad, but the most vocal critics have left
posting anything constructive long ago.
Defaults are high in the lower credit grades, but not high at all in
the AA-B category.
I'm puzzled by most of it myself.
Before I stuck a considerable amount of money in (heck before I
stuck any money in), I read everything on the site and thought about
the 3 year term and the possible loss of my money a lot.
Hopefully Prosper is improving the forum. Eliminating the ability to
make sock puppets, etc
FINANCING
Where Either a Borrower
Or a Lender Can Be
Small-Business Owners Turn
To Online Networks for Funds
As Banks Tighten Credit
When Jeff Walsh wanted to refinance the small-business loan on his
coin laundry, he didn't want to take a chance that his bank would
reject his application. "I just bought a house in 2007 and was a
little nervous about what the bank would say about my debt-to-income
ratio."
Instead, the 31-year-old from Schaumburg, Ill., recently borrowed
$22,500 on Prosper.com, an online lending network that matches
individual borrowers and lenders. The interest rate on Mr. Walsh's
loan: 10.25% -- several percentage points below what he says he
would have had to pay at a bank.
HIGH FINANCE FOR THE MASSES
Q&A with the founder of Prosper.com.
As the credit crisis spurs traditional lenders to tighten credit
standards and raise fees, more small-business owners and
entrepreneurs are turning to so-called person-to-person lending
networks -- with names like Prosper, LendingClub.com and Zopa.com --
to help keep their businesses going. The unsecured loans are tiny,
usually no more than $25,000. But borrowers say they are able to get
loans more quickly and with less paperwork than at a bank. And
people with good credit are able to lock in lower rates -- often 8%
to 12% -- than they would otherwise have to pay on credit cards or
unsecured bank loans.
INDEPENDENT STREET BLOG
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Have you used peer-to-peer lending? Read the latest post, and share
your thoughts.
Person-to-person lending is a small but fast-growing corner of the
Web economy. New sites are jumping in, including Virgin Money USA,
majority-owned by Sir Richard Branson's Virgin Group PLC. Roughly
$100 million in new P-to-P loans was issued in the U.S. last year, a
number that is expected to jump tenfold by 2010, according to Online
Banking Report. Recently, some larger financial institutions have
begun to take notice of P-to-P lending, saying that offering loans
through the sites is a way to bring in more deposits and reach more
consumers.
Of course, as the economy slows, online lending faces the same
default risks as bank lending. To shore up credit quality, Prosper
is giving lenders more information than it did previously about
borrowers' credit and employment histories. Some sites are making it
easier than in the past for lenders to spread their investments
across multiple loans, thus diversifying lending risk. And many of
the newer players, such as GlobeFunder.com and LendingClub.com, are
restricting loans to those with stronger credit, typically with
credit scores above 640 or more.
[photo]
Patrick Kelley of Lexington, Ky., used a Prosper loan to help fund
his instant auctions and eBay consignment business.
Alex Kalempa recently applied for a $15,000 loan with Associated
Banc-Corp.'s Associated Bank to help expand his business of
developing racing shift systems for motorcycles. But the bank
offered him only a $1,000 credit line, although it later increased
it to $5,000. He also applied for a business credit card with
Capital One Financial Corp., but was offered a credit line of just
$500. Instead, Mr. Kalempa turned to LendingClub.com, where he got a
$15,000 loan at 9.6% in January.
"Banks are getting stingier these days," says the 25-year-old in
Slinger, Wis. "When I applied for a personal line of credit with
Associated Bank five years ago, they gave me a $15,000 credit line
with no problems."
Associated Bank declines to comment on specific customers'
situations. But David Baumgarten, the bank's executive vice
president of regional banking, says the "banking industry as a whole
has clearly tightened some of its lending standards," given the
economic cycle.
"We certainly recognize that [online lending sites] are competition
for us, but we still feel there's real value in the one-on-one
relationships that we develop, especially on the small-business
side," Mr. Baumgarten says.
[photo]
Jeff Walsh borrowed money through Prosper.com to refinance a
small-business loan for his coin-laundry business.
Here's how online lending sites generally work: Individuals looking
for loans create listings that detail how much they want to borrow,
what they're planning to use the money for, and how much they're
willing to pay in interest. People with money to lend can peruse the
listings, which include details about borrowers' credit histories,
and bid on the loans they want to fund. At Prosper, one of the
biggest players, borrowers are assigned a credit grade, based on
their Experian credit scores. Borrowers pay a one-time fee ranging
from 1% to 3% of the loan amount, depending on their credit score,
while lenders pay 0% to 1% of their principal balance.
Prosper works like an eBay-style online auction marketplace, with
lenders and borrowers ultimately determining loan rates. Other
sites, such as Zopa and LendingClub.com, offer fixed rates to
investors and borrowers. Virgin Money coordinates loans that have
been prearranged between family and friends by handling the
paperwork and servicing the loan with automated electronic payments.
The rates that borrowers pay depend largely on their credit history,
income, debt and other factors. Prosper is currently offering
borrowers with high credit scores of 760 or more, and who want
relatively small loans, average rates of 7.76%. For individuals with
credit scores in the mid-to-high 600s, seeking to borrow between
$10,000 and $25,000, currently posted rates range from 14.47% to
22.67%.
Individuals who are lending via these networks say they are drawn to
the P-to-P market by the opportunity to earn better returns than
traditional investments such as stocks and bonds, and by the chance
to help out real people. They say the credit crunch is locking even
borrowers who are good risks out of the traditional debt market.
And some individual lenders see the loans as an alternative asset
class of investment. "It's not correlated with stock or fixed
income," says David Presson of St. Louis, a research director at a
money-management firm who has made about 125 loans through Prosper.
Some larger financial institutions have begun dipping a toe in
P-to-P lending, hoping to get in on the ground floor as the lending
networks are expected to grow. Zopa is currently working with six
credit unions, including Forum Credit Union of Fishers, Ind., and
USA Federal Credit Union of San Diego. "The merging of financial
services and social networking is a great way to reach the younger
generation," says Doug True, senior vice president of Forum Credit
Union.
At Zopa, lenders deposit money into federally insured certificates
of deposit held by its credit-union partners and get to choose the
rate they want to earn, up to a current maximum of 4.25%, and which
borrowers they want to help. The lower the rate lenders accept, the
more funds are allocated to help borrowers reduce their payments.
Virgin Money, which currently helps set up payment plans between
family and friends, is in talks with a national bank to begin
offering student loans later this year,
says Asheesh Advani, the
company's chief executive. Virgin also expects to partner with banks
to offer funds for mortgages and small-business loans, he says.
Meanwhile, private investment partnerships are also springing up to
invest through the sites. Adam Weyeneth, president of Fair Deal
Credit LLC, a small Chicago hedge fund, began extending loans
through Prosper in mid-2007. "There may be some mispricings going on
in certain segments of the market and we may be able to bring a more
rigorous analytical approach that will allow us to select better
loans" than individual lenders, he says.
P-to-P lending sites have been around for a couple of years,
providing small, short-term loans mostly to individuals looking to
pay off credit cards or other expensive debts. But as the credit
crisis has spread to affect nearly all types of bank lending,
borrowers who previously may have turned to home-equity loans or
lines of credit are turning to person-to-person sites as
alternatives. And that has helped to spur a jump in loan requests
from borrowers with stronger credit profiles in recent months, says
Chris Larsen, Prosper's chief executive.
Another small-business owner, Patrick Kelley of Lexington, Ky., says
he turned to Prosper after trying three times over the past several
years to get a small-business loan to help fund his instant auctions
and eBay consignment business. The 38-year-old says his loan
applications were rejected each time because his business wasn't yet
showing a profit. Instead, Mr. Kelley got by by relying mainly on
home-equity lines of credit and private funding from his business
partners to kick-start his business.
"It was hard for us to get a traditional loan, being an upstart
business," Mr. Kelley says. "Banks weren't familiar with the
business model of selling people's stuff on eBay for a commission."
Mr. Kelley ended up getting an $18,500 loan through Prosper at
10.97% last fall. And the process was much quicker and easier than
going through a bank. He estimates that each bank-loan application
he submitted took several months to prepare.
"There's more
paperwork, and banks want an updated business plan and tax returns,"
he says. By contrast, he says the loan-application process on
Prosper took a couple of weeks, from the time he applied for a loan
to the time the money was in his bank account.
Another lure, some participants say, is the chance to do business
with like-minded people. Mark Olson of Ormond Beach, Fla., applied
for a Prosper loan because he liked the idea that real people, not a
big bank, would be investing in his business. "These people who join
in as lenders are entrepreneurs, and I really appreciate anyone who
is of the entrepreneurial nature," says the 52-year-old. In
December, he got a $13,000 loan at 11.09% to help start a new
business operating Radio Shack franchises at certain Nascar race
tracks.
Fynanz is an innovative marketplace where students get some of
the most competitive rates on private student loans. Students apply
for loans which are funded by individual lenders – Family, friends,
alumni and others who believe what we believe – Education is the
Best Investment!
At the heart of our marketplace is the Fynanz OpenLoan, a low-cost
private student loan benefiting both borrowers and lenders. Students
apply for loans in an auction marketplace and receive the most
competitive rates. Lenders bid on student listings and can place
bids in small amounts across many borrowers to diversify and lower
risk while getting attractive returns.
On my current trip to China I noticed that inflation is running
rampant here, in fact it’s a lot worse here then in the US. Wages,
food prices, etc. are all going up.
For instance, a bag of cement which was selling for 12RMB (about
$1.75) last year is now selling for 36RMB currently. (The earthquake
in May caused prices to sky rocket) Worker wages have been
increasing at a 10% clip yearly yet it’s seems barely enough.
The government has been trying to dampen inflationary pressures by
regulating the cost of energy which seems futile. A taxi driver in
Beijing told me the government is currently subsidizing them over
1000RMB/month in gas rebates to prevent fare increases to customers.
However he thinks this will soon end after the Olympics when
subsidies cease and fare increases become inevitable.
I’m living in the US why would this matter? If the cost of
production starts going up dramatically in China, then all the cheap
‘Made in China’ goods we’re used to are inevitably going to increase
in price.
An Auckland start-up is challenging the traditional finance
industry by launching an online auction-based money-lending service.
Nexx, based in business growth centre The Icehouse, is an online
person-to-person money match-making platform. Essentially, the
company’s technology connects people who need money and people who
want to lend money and earn a good rate of return, says Glenn
Riddell, CEO of Nexx.
With no bank or finance company in the middle, the interest rate
paid by borrowers is the same as the rate that lenders receive,
making the service attractive to both sides.
“We do away with the middlemen,” Riddell says.
Borrowers are able to post a loan request on Nexx’s website, in the
form of an auction listing, says Ridell. The listing includes a
description of the borrower, reasons for why they need the money and
what rate they are willing to pay.
Nexx verifies borrowers’ identity, using a two-factor authentication
process, and runs a full credit check on their background. The
company also goes to established credit information providers to get
information on borrowers. Each borrower is assigned a credit grade
and the information is then presented in an easy to use form that
lenders can look at and make decisions that suit their risk-profile,
says Riddell.
Lenders can search the listings and pledge funds with an interest
rate they are willing to lend at, says Riddell. Lenders bid on the
listings and are encouraged to spread their portfolio across a
number of loans — to diversify risk and secure the lenders’
investment returns. So, the total of a loan is made up by many
lenders, each contributing small amounts, says Riddell.
Nexx has got all its external information providers lined up and
ready to go, he says. The technology platform is completed, and the
company is just waiting for legal sign-off, before the beta of the
site can be launched, which will very likely happen in mid to late
February, says Riddell.
At the moment, Nexx is not making an offer of securities to the
public, and no money is being sought, he adds.
The company consists of Riddell, president Ben Milsom, chief
financial officer James Wallace, chief technical officer Mark Catley,
and two developers. They are all still in, or just out of,
university, says Riddell.
The Nexx team believes that online auctioning of services combined
with moneylending will be a success in New Zealand. The idea is
already working in Europe and the US, says Riddell. Prosper, a US
site, has over $100 million in loans from close to 500,000 borrowers
and lenders, and Zopa in the UK has over 300,000 users, he says. The
success of these sites shows that people can come to trust each
other to the extent of lending money, on exactly the same terms as a
bank would, he says.
In the event someone defaults, Nexx will take the same measures as
any bank would, he adds. As long as the security processes are in
place, there is no reason for people to feel scared about engaging
in person-to-person lending, he says.
Nexx, which is backed by angel investors, has built most of the
technology platform itself, but has outsourced components like
security auditing to external providers.
The company also chose to latch the system on to open-source ERP and
accounting package Adempiere.
Nexx won the University of Auckland Business School’s Spark
Entrepreneurship Challenge in September. The prize was $20,000 in
seed funding and a nine-month tenancy in the Icehouse business
incubator.
Welcome to the first ever edition of the Carnival of Peer-to-Peer
Lending. For those unfamiliar with what this is allow me to explain
it. The articles you see below are a collection of articles written
by bloggers about the topic of peer-to-peer lending. If you are not
interested in peer-to-peer lending, these articles below may be of
little interest to you.
I want to thank everyone who participated in sending in an
article. The next edition of this carnival will be hosted at
Brip Blap. For those looking
submit an article for this edition, you can do so
here.
Welcome to the January 20, 2008 edition of carnival of
peer-to-peer lending. Peer-to-peer lending is a new but
growing area for people looking for alternative investments. I’ve
just recently started lending at Prosper, and I’m excited to keep
learning more about lending AND borrowing in the peer-to-peer world.
Thanks for visiting, and let’s get started!
Amanda presents
Me vs. Debt: Hey Prosper Lenders! Question from a Borrower…
posted at Me Vs. Debt,
saying, “Just wondering what the general consensus might be on
refinancing a good borrower with not so good credit. I’m well aware
that most lenders steer clear of low rating borrowers, but what if
they had a good payment history? ”
Pinyo presents
My Second P2P Loan On Prosper posted at
Moolanomy.
After making his second loan, Pinyo has a few more thoughts on
lending at Prosper. He also inspired an interesting debate in the
comments to his post on the ethics of lending through p2p sites.
Peer-Lend presents
Prosper Lending: Interest Rate & Bidding Guidance posted at
Peer-Lend.com. Peer-Lend says
Prosper has recently done something wonderful for current
and future Prosper Lenders. But I bet you don’t know what it is -
or, if you do, why it’s so unbelievably important. If you don’t know
what’s being talked about, you should read this article.
Peer-Lend also submitted
Gaming the Lending Club 5% Bonus Promotion. If you have some
capital and you’re interested in making a little extra money off
Lending Club’s new promotion, this article has a clever idea for
“gaming” your 5% into (up to) $20,000!
The Dough Roller presents
How I Overcame My Fear of Lending Money on Prosper.com posted at
The Dough Roller. If you
just finished reading Money Smart Life’s introduction and now you’re
wondering about how to get over your initial anxiousness at entering
this new arena, this post will help you in addressing your fear of
lending money through Prosper and other P2P lending sites.
That concludes this edition. Submit your blog article to the next
edition of carnival of peer-to-peer lending using
this
carnival submission form. Past posts and future hosts can be
found on our
blog carnival index page.
Last year Chris Barrett won $3,000 in Lending Club's video
contest. Chris Barrett's video, complete with an actual script and
actors, shows a girl who is getting her Paris Hilton news through
magazines instead of the internet since her laptop broke. "I can't
believe their putting Paris Hilton in jail," she exclaims to her
friend who can't believe she's so behind the news. The friend
suggests Lending Club to borrow the money and replace her computer.
Here is a short excerpt from the book where Barrett discusses
Lending Club:
Still can't find anyone to invest in your project? Look online.
Today, a new way to finance just about any dream you have is
peer-to-peer lending. One company at the forefront of this
innovation is called LendingClub.com. Instead of maxing out a credit
card to start a new business, you can take out a loan from a group
of people at a lower interest rate than you would pay to a credit
card company or bank. All you need to do is post your loan request
on the site so that potential investors can get an idea of what your
project is. This arrangement is a win-win for investors and
borrowers, because investors split up the investment so that any
losses they might suffer will be small, which in turn causes the
borrower's interest rates to be small as well. For example, right
now, on LendingClub.com, a member needs $25,000 to start a DVD
vending machine rental company. He has already had $24,300 invested,
so he only needs $700 more before his loan is filled and he will be
able to launch his company.
Winning commercial
Category: Film & Animation
Tags:
Lending Club Peer-to-Peer person-to-person-lending Paris Hilton Jail
Contest Submission Life and Style laptop
February 20, 2008
P2P Lending Carnival #4
In June of last year I reviewed the top Prosper blogs. Since then,
the number of bloggers covering P2P lending has increased
significantly and the content covers much more than just Prosper.
I'm proud to host the 4th edition of the P2P Lending Carnival. There
are a huge range of articles in this edition including some heavy
anti-P2P lending posts. Prosper, Lending Club, Lending Hub
(Australia), Kiva, Virgin Money, and IOU Central (Canada) are
covered. We have posts from borrowers as well as lenders. So
enjoy...this represents the "best of" P2P lending articles over the
last 2-3 weeks. Past editions have been hosted by Lazy Man and
Money, Brip Blap, and Rateladder.
6 Ways To Manage The Risk of Peer to Peer Lending - This is a post
by SVB on the official Prosper Blog. She wants to make the leap into
P2P lending and takes a look at how to overcome her risk aversion.
She has some great tips. I look forward to following her story as
she starts lending.
5 Ways to Help Get a Prosper Loan Funded - Jacob from
Early
Retirement Extreme has lent out more than $12,000 over the past 18
months and has a few great tips for borrowers.
Is Person to Person Lending Safe? - Cash Money Life responds to
reader's questions about the safety of P2P lending.
"Just
like any other investment," he writes, "you need to do your research
to determine the level of risk you are willing to assume and the
percentage of your portfolio you are willing to invest."
Peer Lending Lessons From the Dating World - In case you missed it,
the CEO of Lending Club, Renaud Laplanche, was interviewed on CNBC's
Power Lunch. During the interview, a comparison between P2P lending
and dating was made. Money $mart Life discusses the comparison and
offers some "peer lending 'dating' tips" of his own.
Get a Better Rate for Your Small Business Loan from Virgin Money -
Ben takes a look at the story behind Richard Branson's purchase of
Circle Lending and its rebranding into the Virgin Money empire.
Is Peer to-Peer Lending Ready for Prime Time? - Moolanomy considers
P2P lending "riskier than the stock market"
but thinks there is still the potential to earn money as a lender.
Prosper Taxes and Prosper Taxes: Help Me… Help You - Rateladder and
Lazy Man both take a look at the confusing tax situation for the
various forms of income and loss including interest, defaulted
loans, late fees, referral rewards, collection fees, service fees
and group leader rewards.
Prosper vs. Lending Club SmackDown–Who has the best interest rates?
- The Dough Roller makes a detailed comparison of the interest rates
at Prosper and Lending Club from the borrower's perspective. DR
writes, "How they set interest rates is fundamentally different.
Prosper follows an EBay auction style format...Lending Club sets the
interest rate based on a formula...there
is no bidding." DR finally concludes, "Whether you are a borrower or
lender, the starting place should be to determine the interest rate
you would pay or receive at Lending Club....At present, I suspect
that many Prosper lenders are underestimating the risk of default,
which results in better interest rates for borrowers at Prosper, and
better interest rates for lenders at Lending Club." This is a well
researched article and the best comparison I've seen so far. The
comments are very good as well. As Don points out in the comments,
Prosper uses ScoreX Plus from Experian which differs from the FICO
credit score Lending Club uses so a strict comparison can't be made
between the two when looking at interest rates. For more Prosper
bidding tips take a look at Matt's article about when to bid on a
Prosper loan.
7.2M In January Prosper Loans, But How About February? - Mike from
Prosperous Land takes a quick look at recent loan stats. He is one
of my favorite Prosper bloggers and I'm glad he started posting more
often. For a look at two of his articles about recent Prosper drama
read Prosper Approaching Nuclear War and Junk Mail Seller Revisited.
Lending Club Loan in Review - LuLu, a college student, borrows money
from Lending Club and pays off her Discover Card, Citi Card and
consolidates other debts.
IOU Central Launches P2P lending in Canada - WiseClerk, the best
site for information about international P2P lending, takes a look
at Canada's first P2P lending service.
My Opinions on P2P Lending - Ana rants against P2P lending. "I don’t
think P2P lending is a good idea at all, not only for philosophical
reasons but also for practical reasons," she writes. She feels these
sites encourage unhealthy debt and would even avoid being a lender
to avoid the ethical dilemma of "slapping those chains of debt onto
another person."
Why I Started Lending Money With Prosper And Lending Club - After
seeing the rates drop on his high yield ING savings account, David
from My Two Dollars is turning to P2P lending.
Peer to Peer Lending: Neat Idea, Bad Investment - Adfecto thinks
that bonds or the stock market are better investment options due to
high default rates. He says, "I started out very excited and the
more I learned, the more I ran the other way." Adfecto, I'd be
interested in your comments on Matt's risk management article.
P2P Borrowers: The Greatest Tenants You Can Find - Mike compares a
peer loan to a real estate investment. He writes, "I have come to
think of the people I loan money to as the ideal tenants for my
virtual real estate business."
Pennsylvania loans or what were early Prosper lenders thinking? -
Brett takes a look at the high rate of defaults on Pennsylvania
loans. We have also wondered about Pennsylvania in the past. In
addition, Brett looking for some help critiquing his new Prosper
portfolio.
How to Write a Good Application for a Personal Loan - The Lending
Hub (not to be confused with the Lending Club) is a new P2P lending
start-up in Australia. They share some tips on how to write a good
loan request as a borrower.
Their tips are solid and apply no matter what company you are
seeking funding from or what country you are in. Stay tuned...later
this week we will have a guest post from Ivan, Lending Hub's CEO.